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Two people were onboard the aircraft when the pilot reported engine issues after taking off from the Santa Monica Airport. The crash wasn't a result of a tower appearing out of nowhere, but an airplane appearing where it shouldn't be. After the pilot report established at IREME, the controller cleared the pilot for the approach. Thus, the top of the stack would be 120ft AGL relative to the runway threshold, due to the first assumption. Gray light is the worst, and that sort of snow just is impossible to see through clearly. It is unfortunate that Mr. Minter was in an airplane accident, but the stories so far have not discovered his interest and involvement in aviation:"Raised in Santa Monica, Minter served in The United States Marine Corps. It's nearly parallel to the runway. Not enough time for the air frame to ice up from steam. She had a special gift for making everyone she met feel important, and her smile lit up every room. is quite a claim. As she descended she may have lost sight of the runway. The pilot went around on the first approach well before reaching the stacks and also at over 200 feet higher. Video footage recovered from a security camera located on a processing plant revealed a view of the rooftop of the processing plant, along with a smokestack supported by steel framework on the roof. Updated. As a former freight dog, we had many rules of thumb or personal SOP, and the published current charts, OP Specs, and FARs. This was going under minimums on a non-precision approach and the results are as expected. Kathryn's Report: Most Read All Time. you think it's unreasonable for a pilot to descend to a standard 3.0 degree glidepath once they have the runway in sight?When the glidepath specified on the approach is 3.75 degrees, yes, yes I do. Cmores comment= enough said- til more is known. If you were a pilot you would know that warm/wet air has very little lift. You clearly don't know how ASOS works. It shows the end of RWY20 as 4143' at the threshold, and 4160' on the ground beside the potato plant. And why not change the color of runway lights so the really stand out from the rest of the city? But I don't find it baffling that a 95-year-old would not survive the accident. (All of the info presented below is offered with the understanding expressed in this posting and by others regarding usage of ADS-B data. Skydive Kauai Cessna 182 crash NTSB final report May 13th, 2018 - The NTSB has released the final report on the . Messages that harass, abuse or threaten other persons, such as threats to cause bodily harm, or that contain obscene or otherwise objectionable content, may result in the loss of your posting privileges. Wasn't at night. . She not only saw the best in people, she brought out the best in people. There may also be weather equipment at that plant and it may have logging capability. The falling droplets drag air down. The approach plate shows the smokestack at 4,304' MSL. Accident Investigation report not yet completed, but information verified through authorities or other sources. "The silos were within TERPS requirements. Both wings, the propeller assembly, belly pod, and the nose wheel separated from the fuselage. He owns the minds of those fans and is working toward harvesting their donations in the times ahead. This is typical and one of the worst aspects of this community. That having been said, in the post-crash video it appears that the aircraft may have clipped that safety cage about 30 feet below the top of the chimney/stack.As for the plant, since that large chimney is less than 200 feet (14 CFR 77), any lighting would have been voluntary (AC70/7460-1K 01FEB2007). The silos were within TERPS requirements. Thirty feet is not a big change in your analysis, but after verifying the stack is #16-036731 in the obstruction database, true height of 100 feet is the verified data. One more correction, 230 feet above the ground isn't 160 feet above the stack. GMAFB.And insulting me (or trying to) doesn't speak to the weakness of my position, but rather the weakness of yours. Despite the terrible ADM, it was a common act of poor airmanship (yoke yanking, early rotation) that induced the incident as noted in the very detailed case study. No preview function. The 3.75 degrees shown on the approach plate is the descent angle from the FAF to the TCH. Do NOT descend below xxx MSL (example). Sunrise was 6:56. If it was sarcasm, you should include /s so people don't mistake it for a serious reply.Calculations of how much mass of water vapor was being delivered by the stacks and mixed into the air above the plant, with diffusion, spread and distance of the effect from the point of emission weren't in the preliminary. The pilot was transported to a local hospital where their condition remains unknown. Even if you were trying to duck under, you aren't ducking at -857/min at 4800 ft. (Jamid) MDA 4560 which is 240 ft then another 406 ft 4154 elevation - 646 fpm would get you there (at 90 knots). Carrying that angle across the river and over to the factory she should have been approximately 230 feet above the ground and 160 feet above those stacks. Interpreting the original post can be taken as:A: The pilots don't always get the necessary hand holding-or-B: The pilots don't get what flying is all about.Seems like original post was A, response interpreted it as B. Looking at obstacle markings on the BYI RW20 approach plate, it is interesting to compare to ALL of the HEYBURN-associated obstacles that exist in the current 16-ID.dat obstacle database.Notably, the 4179' obstruction shown by the river at 7th avenue in the inset runway detail of the plate is not in the database, appears to be Gossner's Magic Valley Chalet based on low height and location. Reply Delete. The City is grateful for Mr. Minters public service and we join his family in mourning his passing, the city said in a news release. The MDA & displaced threshold is for the obstacles near the approach. Burley is considering a new airport location:https://www.idahostatejournal.com/news/local/burley-ready-to-move-forward-with-new-airport-project-asks-counties-for-support/article_5a0c977c-3015-5dec-bd16-35979dfa8cdf.html, This is probably the hardest commercial flying job around Pilot is the third most dangerous job.Fatal injuries per 100,000 full-time equivalent workers: 58.9https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/27/the-10-most-dangerous-jobs-in-america-according-to-bls-data.htmlRenowned airshow performer Eric Beard also died as a freight dog pilot.https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=20060108&slug=webpilot08YouTube https://youtu.be/LivNwDABHdwNTSB https://generalaviationnews.com/2006/09/22/ntsb-cites-pilot-error-in-january-airpac-crash/. Kathryn S Report Cessna 180f N180tb Accident Occurred August 20 2019 At Arlington Municipal On september 1, 2014, about 1050 eastern daylight time, a cessna 180, n6510a, was substantially damaged when it impacted trees and terrain during the initial. Display name: PaulS. What are you running with? If you understood how preliminary reports record meteorological information in the report format, you would have looked at the time of the observation, as recorded on page 2 in the "Meteorological Information and Flight Plan" block:Observation Facility, Elevation: KBYI,4143 ft mslObservation Time: 08:10 LocalIt should be obvious now that the calculations you made used an observation from 22 minutes prior to the accident. The pilot initially replied negative, then subsequently replied that she had crossed the fix. I do realize the Google Earth data might not be exact, but it's even showing the small drop at the precise edge of the riverbank, so I'm inclined to believe it might be valid, at least for relative elevation differences.At any rate, if the FAA obstruction listing is accurate, that only adds 16' of extra vertical margin to the clearances I wrote above. Two small sections of the Cessna 340's left tip tank was located near the Cessna 152 wreckage. The mash adheres to the drums, but is not exposed to the steam inside, and dries. A review of air traffic control (ATC) communication with the pilot revealed the approach controller issued the pilot the current altimeter setting and verified that the pilot had the current weather and notices to airmen reports for BYI. But I got my wish too. You have any proof of that? Perhaps this was the pilot's first flight to Burley, or an infrequent stop?Other measures for safety and possible fatigue: No snake river or other possible, large visual cue in sight? Freight dispatchers aren't the ones responsible for letting under-equipped airports remain that way. On 3 October 2021, a Romanian private plane crashed into a building in San Donato Milanese, Lombardy, Italy. (Nobody commenting here so far has indicated that they looked closely and noticed the tolerance associated with specific obstruction records in the obstruction database, so it's time to shine a light on declared tolerances there. Would the FAA have allowed the company to mount a strobe on the top of that stack, or would it have interfered with the sight picture for a pilot on the glideslope for a landing? I can attest to having my aircraft rocked by turbulence simply from the warm air currents gently rising from a dark field, so I have no doubt that a concentrated column of moist hot air being spewed out of a row of smokestacks could have a very serious effect on a light aircraft. Easy enough to fact check using Adsbexchange and the LiveAtc recording.Results:-Cleared for takeoff @7 minute mark on LiveAtc-ADS-B shows airborne by @23:08:23Z-Flies along coast, gets halfway to Malibu-No airspeed or altitude trouble so far-ADS-B shows a turnback starting @23:14:00-"I'd like to return" @14 minute mark LiveAtc-ADS-B speed & altitude degrading on the way back-Declares Emergency just before 16 minute mark -ATC offers "left base for runway 3" @17 minute mark-ADS-B shows crossing the pier @23:18:04Simple to listen to comm audio source files for yourself:https://www.liveatc.net/archive.phpThis accident's file is found by selecting:Date: 22 December, Time: 2300-2330Z, Feed: "KSMO Tower #1". On 29 May 2021, a Cessna 501 Citation I/SP crashed into the Percy Priest Lake in Tennessee. The approach path passes just above the smokestack, and there's no vertical guidance because it's LNAV only. From an Engineers perspective, looking at Google Earth Pro, the runway centerline runs within 5 feet or so from the stack that looks to have been struck by the left wing of the aircraft. So using the very unscientific method of looking at the Foreflight 3D airport view to visualize a KBYI runway 30 approach at a standard 3.0 degree descent angle, it is clear that those stacks are pretty much directly in your path. Chunks of ice breaking off may be sucked into the engine and cause structural damage. This is a place where we learn what not to do next time. Company dispatcher: "Our other pilots could have landed BYI today"8. The only way to hit the obstacles is to be WAY low on the approach. Don't bust minimums, ladies and gents. Kathryn's Report: Most Read All Time. Besides, every "pilot" who mentions how "slow" an aircraft was flying based on these data have lost complete credibility and their opinions are not relevant. There is still data needed to determine amount of fuel in tanks. This can occur on take-off and landing and with sufficient rapidity to obscure the runway and other landmarks during a critical time in flight. The aircraft was well below the 3.75 degree "glidepath" at this point from the FAF to the TDZE of 4152'. Regardless of the precise reasons for her own accident, the FAA, Burley Airfield authority, and the board of the "Gem State Potato Processing Plant" have very serious questions to answer. Brittney lived life to its fullest. He then botched the landing by coming up short in the surf. The #5 comment about lowest cloud layer is important to grasp. This is probably why the pilot decided to continue the approach. she didn't fly into the stack, the steam cloud sucked her right into it by taking all her lift away. The witness heard the engine increase in sound and saw the nose lift shortly before the airplane struck the smokestack and descend to the rooftop.". Anonymous Wednesday, December 21, . Their airplane was fully intact like this one.Here is a quote from that report:"The FAA published Seat Belts and Shoulder Harnesses, Smart Protection for Small Airplanes (AM-400-90/2). Also, someone suggested that the engine might of cut out which I never heard as an issue for that engine.A lot of theory's and conjecture which I find every theory interesting. Recently she appeared on Los Angeles television representing airport interests in a debate with the Airport Neighbors Association. It is nonsense to suggest that because the perfect approach was 100ft to the side of the stack and above it, that it was okay! It was hands down the seat belt and shoulder harness and a hell of a lot of luck. Average descent angle was 9.2 degrees, or a loss of 350' in those last seconds, but the approach seemed unstable from JAMID. Source:https://trellis.law/judge/rex.h.minterAirmen registry shows he and Doris BOTH having Commercial Pilot and Mechanic A&P certs, ASEL, Instrument (plus AMEL for him), his last third class med exam 1998, hers 2013. The tower was 60 agl, she lost altitude quickly when she hit the steam cloud. That 31,000-fpm descent rate is one of the last pieces of usable radar data the Nashville TRACON's radar recorded from N66BK, a Cessna Citation 501, before it crashed into Lake Percy Priest . Pilots who flew this approach repeatedly should have realised the peril, and taken action. ADSB data and Airport Surveillance Cameras are God Sends for looking into aircraft mishaps such as these. I will give the details below for others to replicate, but here are my conclusions:(1) If you start at 4800ft at JAMID, and then descend with a 3.75 degree angle from horizontal as advised on the published approach plate, you would clear the top of a 100' AGL stack by only *63 feet. Yes, sorry about the typo, runway 20, not 30. Give it up, she didn't bust minimums she got sucked right into that smokestack by the steam cloud she couldn't get out of in time.This is 100% on the potato plant. Non-credible to believe roof was perceived as runway with continuation all the way to impact by a pilot expecting the river to lay across the approach end of the runway as it had always been in every previous landing there. 2 dead in crash between F-16, Cessna 01:06. first opened in 1940, KBYI is publicly-owned by the CITY OF BURLEY, ID, which the father is demanding be closed. Your top of stack AGL estimate is off somehow - the building roof would have to be 90 feet high. The "airport shouldn't be there"I'm reminded of the jet that took off in CT short runway. There is something definitely sticking above the top of the chimney on a yellow pole coming from the cage.While it will be interesting to see if the GPS or WAAS signal was degraded for the GPS RWY 20 approach, the pilot should have been in visual conditions./ME. "Oh yes, you got me there. Having survived a Cessna 150 crash into a forest I can attest first hand that shoulder harness' save lives. Gotta crank one out. FlightAware's track log is heavily sampled and rounded, showing one track point every 20-30 seconds despite ADS-B transmitting a data point every second. Having survived a Cessna 150 crash into a forest I can attest first hand that shoulder harness' save lives. It is believed the plane was doing a flyover of the camp when the incident occurred. 1, 1, 1 1/2, 2 statute mile visibility was not previously discussed in comments.) This map-pin location is Gossner's Elevators:maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.54918+-113.76041Street view:https://goo.gl/maps/2hJ8XhWHUTENBvEa8Here are all of the HEYBURN obstacles of the 16-ID.dat obstacle database file, with map-pin and street view images after converting HH:MM:SS.SS GPS coordinates to decimal:That 140 foot radio tower near the United Metals Recycling plant is:16-022120 O US ID HEYBURN 42 33 31.30N 113 44 53.73W TOWER 1 00140 04291 N 1 D N 2020ANM06806OE C 2021126maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.558694+-113.748258#16-036731 is the crashed into stack, as already noted.#16-036732 thru 16-036737 are 100', 4256' MSL Gem stacks:maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.551047+-113.760189And this 37' high tank is by the tracks at 7th Ave:16-036750 O US ID HEYBURN 42 32 58.11N 113 45 47.84W TANK 1 00037 04187 R 4 D P 2017ANM00600OE C 2018029 maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.549475+-113.763289Street view:https://goo.gl/maps/zMVhwxePeR5Em32J7Elevators 124' high, NorthEast of Gem:16-000258 O US ID HEYBURN 42 33 17.33N 113 45 16.64W ELEVATOR 1 00124 04282 R 1 A N 0076_NW00104OE C 2013291maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.554814+-113.754622Street view:https://goo.gl/maps/zRAEzTUpo3y2PpmJ6But these across the tracks are not in the database:https://goo.gl/maps/1ZD8aeGhy2Y1CsdEAAnd this tower, Google maps doesn't show:16-051497 U US ID HEYBURN 42 32 27.89N 113 45 01.48W TOWER 1 00125 04279 N 4 D N 2019ANM02334OE A 2020084maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.541081+-113.750411. Yesterday's accident was very unfortunate. You probably meant RWY 20. It wasn't.See later comment down thread for time hacks/ADS-B correlation. With Texas Skyway 280HP conversion. "Nothing new under the sun." Vertical rate was approximately 900 fpm at last point and it appears it hit some silos at a food plant. The pilots forward view would be very limited almost nothing. On August 25, 2001, a Cessna 402 twin-engine light aircraft crashed shortly after takeoff from Marsh Harbour Airport on the Abaco Islands of the Bahamas, killing the pilot and all eight passengers on board. The local city zoning allowed industry to build around the airport, not the feds. Also, if the pilot intended the first pass to inspect the runway surface and conditions, they would not have slowed down as much as on the final pass. That full sequence of reports showing 6, 2 1/2, 1 1/2, 1. FlightAware displays ground speed, not IAS, so you have to account for winds loft, which can be significantly higher than reported surface winds.3. It is staggering that the FAA, local airport authority, and board of the "Gem State Potato Processing Plant" allowed this appalling situation. I will say that the analyses here have been very well thought out and thought provoking. Remember, is was a cold, snowy morning, with very limited visibility, and according to the AWOS at the time of the crash, the temperature/dewpoint spread was only two degrees; in other words a very nearly saturated atmosphere. Their bond was unbreakable, and their most fun times were spent together, especially when traveling the world. Here are those METARs:KBYI 131430Z AUTO 20007KT 2SM -SN BR BKN021 OVC028 M03/M06 A2997 --- crash occurred @ 14:32 Z ---KBYI 131440Z AUTO 21008KT 2 1/2SM -SN BKN030 OVC047 M03/M06 A2997In spite of those reports, the pilot's reputation is being maligned with the "intentionally busted minimums" assertion. Following a structural failure, a 1992 Mooney M20M crashed in Victoria, Minnesota, last Saturday (August 7, 2021), while it was approaching to land at Flying Cloud (KFCM) Airport in Minnesota. https://registry.faa.gov/N7181AA small plane crashed at the Watsonville Municipal Airport on Sunday afternoon. https://www.kmvt.com/2021/02/26/the-fate-of-the-burley-municipal-airport-continues-to-be-uncertain/, N928JP diverted to Twin Falls on the day before the accident. 1. If the snow flurry intensifies or the tater drying plume is solid and significant such that it's going to have to be descended through or the combined conditions will be imposing loss of visual for a period of time after having sighted the runway at MDA, a go around is the correct response.The accident pilot reportedly was not a first timer to BYI and for all of the NAVAID limitations you mentioned, a divert to Twin Falls (as had been done by whichever pilot was aboard on the day before the accident) was the choice to make if the visibility at the plant wasn't as reported by METAR during the two approach attempts. Her life was not any more valuable because she was pretty. According to a witness, located about one quarter mile away, he first heard, then observed the airplane descend out of the clouds then immediately went into a steam cloud, which was produced from a set of six smokestacks located on the same roof. There were three people on board who sustained injuries in the crash. 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