My most sincere friend, my confidant, my very existence, my Sultan, my one and only love. hurrem. With this letter, Hurrem sent Sigismund II the gift of two pairs of linen shirts and pants, some belts, six handkerchiefs, and a hand-towel, with a promise to send a special linen robe in the future. [38] She built a public soup kitchen in Makkah.[11]. Interviews are constantly being used in Wikipedia for every notable person, why neglect this one? As we can clearly see from your contribution list. Selim II (r. 15661574) likely never held anything against Mahidevran personally. She was his mothers rival, not his. Selim II, as depicted in a m The use of "sultan" for a consort came with the title Haseki, because the full title was Haseki Sultan (Devletl smetlu (given name) Haseki Sultn Aliyyet'-n Hazretleri)that is why. We can ask her! A short woman wearing expensive clothes and jewelry appears Hurrem: Agha? Where are we? (She looks closer at my face, noticing the Look up Idar of Karbardia, he did existed and like I said "even if there is a slightest possibility" then making a statement would be wrong. Later, Hurrem became the first woman to remain in the sultan's court for the duration of her life. In fact, Suleiman was afraid of his eldest sons power. I asked a simple question and you failed to answer because you cant. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 15:03, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], We see that Birinci Kadin is what a woman who has bore a first child; you're overlooking what I said: it was Hurrem who married legally Suleyman and broke the 200 hundred tradition, not Mahidevran; in any case, she can't be called a sultana. It means there was no external reason for the death, such as a traumatic injury. I request moderators to change the title of this page to "Mahidevran" only and if they find it pertinent as well, to retain the speculations in a subtopic within the page. [49] Artists Titian, Melchior Lorich, and Sebald Beham were all influential in creating a visual representation of Roxelana. Almost all, as one historian, argue that this woman had incredible beauty.Many historians write that she was a Circassian. 113.203.177.1 (talk) 18:52, 28 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Dear Keivan.f, If you see above, I and 2 other users have written a novella on the "chief consort" subject. Subscribe to our weekly newsletter and stay up to date on History of Royal Women's articles! Teodora Maria Ungureanu Teodora Maria Ungureanu (talk) 23:19, 23 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Teodora Maria Ungureanu Teodora Maria Ungureanu (talk) 23:20, 23 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Why is she called Mahidevran Sultan in this article? You completely twisted the question and answered what I didn't ask. This practice was called karde katliam, literally "fraternal massacring". Some sources say she moved to Topkap, not because of the fire, but as a result of her marriage to Suleiman. [5] She soon became Suleiman's most prominent consort beside Mahidevran (also known as Glbahar), and their relationship was monogamous. I dont see why someone should expand these articles as seen from the title and the heated discussion on chief consort below that even sources are not enough and I just cant do such long discussions. The show was originally supposed to open last week With Christmas around the corner, Age Concern South Canterburys Friday Club celebrated by holding a traditional Christmas dinner for its members last Friday. Two of her letters to King Sigismund II Augustus of Poland (reigned 15481572) have survived, and during her lifetime the Ottoman Empire generally had peaceful relations with the Polish state within a PolishOttoman alliance. Sources indicate that Hurrem Sultan was originally from Ruthenia, which was then part of the Polish Crown. Bas kadin literally means "Head Woman", and if this "head woman" status didn't exist at that time then why she has been referred as "Ba kadin" or Birinci kadin by numerous books? After the death of Suleiman's other sons and his ascension to the throne in 1520 she acquired the rank of mother of the Sultan's eldest son. Mahidevran's name ( Turkish pronunciation: [mahidevan], Persian: ) means "one who is always beautiful", "one whose beauty never fades" or "beauty of the times" in Persian. Muradiye complex. I even request the deletion of dubious page of her alleged father but you are not admitting that you may be wrong here. Mustafa became verypopular in the region under the guidance of his mother. His wife Kay announced via Facebook: I am sorry to make a The references you've cited present a clear inconsistency with defined Ottoman titles and therefore they are invalid.190.218.117.86 (talk) 16:57, 1 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], This is the point, whether she was a main wife or not. Hurrem has usually been held at least partly responsible for the intrigues in nominating a successor. Mahidevran became his favourite woman probably when she was fifteen, and she had a son (Mustafa). WebHe often forgets his lines or forgets to show up altogether, so the others have to look for him. Nedim Ardoa (talk) 08:32, 8 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply], The page Mahidevran Sultan should be moved to Mahidevran Glbahar Hatun because Mahidevran was never a concubine or a Haseki Sultan and Hrrem Sultan was the first Haseki Sultan.--Retrieverlove 1:09, 22 June 2014, According to Leslie P. Peirce, prior to the creation of the title Haseki Sultan for Hrrem Sultan, all the Ottoman consorts carried an alternative royal title, "Hatun".But Leslie P. Peirce also said that during 16th century(Suleiman's reign) the title Hatun for a valide,princesses and Sultan's consorts were changed by Sultan(it's called Sultana in the harem to distinguish between male and female). Despite Mahidevrans warnings, he stayed in close contact with the other princes. As far as I have researched, every Web verifying organization has approved of it. Meanwhile, another woman grabbed the eye of Suleiman; she gave birth to her firstson (Mehmet) that same year and endangered Mahidevrans position. WebDeath 3 Feb 1581 (aged 8081) Bursa, Bursa, Turkey. The cast and crew are taking to the boards asPiraticus Rexopens at The Playhouse this week. Not to mention that "was a chief consort" doesn't make much sense, because a implies that there is more than one which is a contradiction to the meaning of chief. Most other sixteenth-century Western sources on Hurrem, which are considered highly authoritative today such as Turcicae epistolae (English: The Turkish Letters) of Ogier de Busbecq, the Emissary of the Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand I at the Porte between 1554 and 1562; the account of the murder of ehzade Mustafa by Nicholas de Moffan; the historical chronicles on Turkey by Paolo Giovio; and the travel narrative by Luidgi Bassano derived from hearsay.[11]. [2][3][4][5] She has been known by this title since Nurbano's time. While she was serving as the mother to heir apparent she was considered a Sultan's family member (Ottoman court etiquette), hence the title. [16]:132, Many years later, towards the end of Suleiman's long reign, the rivalry between his sons became evident. With Suleiman, she had five sons and one daughter. Imber, Colin (2002). And only after the release of the series Magnificent Century, where she was one of the main characters, various information about this sultana began to appear on the Internet.As Mahidevran's contemporaries wrote, in life she was a black-haired beauty with brown eyes. One of the alledged theories points to her mother being addressed in that manner. [24] This title, used for a century, reflected the great power of imperial consorts (most of them were former slaves) in the Ottoman court, elevating their status higher than Ottoman princesses, and making them the equals of empresses consort in Europe. Memorial ID. At age 26 Suleiman takes the throne. I think she was chief consort but later lost her position though she remained first wife. We have not seen another such example after 15th century of a Senior consort being not called Sultana. Hurrem acted as Suleiman's advisor on matters of state, and seems to have had an influence upon foreign policy and on international politics. [16]:132 Although she was Suleiman's wife, she exercised no official public role. +64 3 687 9228. commercial banks of the capitalist states book; nicholas martin roosevelt; beiersdorf cleveland, tn closing; the difference between body, soul and spirit Also please keep the recent source in mind about an interview with her alleged descendant. Manisa was the most important province, and according to the tradition, only the favourite prince could be appointed there. As far as I knowWorldandhistory (talk) 09:53, 6 April 2016 (UTC) These princesses, were destined to be gifted (in other words sold) by their ruling fathers to their higher or equivalent ranking rulers, kings and grand Vazirs (ministers). [40] Her mausoleum is adjacent to Suleiman's, a separate and more somber domed structure, at the courtyard of the Sleymaniye Mosque. The title of this page should read as Mahidevran or Mahidevran Gulbahar. Above all, her being mother of heir apparent is not a popular culture but a fact. .mw-parser-output .brokenref{display:none}Cite error: There are tags on this page, but the references will not show without a {{reflist|group=note}} template (see the help page). Suleiman probably feared the reaction of the army. All these authors could've have used this phrase simply because they didn't know what the real father's name was, like I said "this name was and is very common for any royal family as well as a common family in any Islamic dynasty." Sultans had previously married only foreign free noble ladies. Other sources indicate that Mahidevran is of Abkhaz origin.Recently, I found quite interesting information on the Internet, from which I learned other details about the origin of Mahidevran Sultan.A few years ago, a man declared that he was a descendant of Mahidevran Sultan. In a play entitled The Holy League, Titian appears on stage at the Venetian Senate, and stating that he has just come from visiting the Sultan, displays his painting of Sultana Rossa or Roxelana. And you said that her being called Hatun or NOT being called Sultana is a Fact. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 20:52, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], It is stated that kadins and hasekis carried equal rights in the harem, so why are you so passionate to call her sultana if she wasn't married to Suleyman? Around 1541, the Venetian ambassador wrote that Mustafa foundeda great court in Amasya, which paralleled that of his father. [34], Although the stories about Hurrem's role in executions of Ibrahim, Mustafa, and Kara Ahmed are very popular, actually none of them are based on first-hand sources. Hurrem later managed to become the Haseki Sultan or "favorite concubine" of the Ottoman imperial harem. In the Istanbul harem, Hurrem became a rival to Mahidevran and her influence over the sultan soon became legendary. For the record, you still failed to answer my question, rephrasing; why in some theatre plays she's the only Hatun ranked consort who is erroneously addressed like Sultana? [8] [9] Though Hurrem was more favored, Mahidevran was still a wife and mother of heir apparent. It is believed that Hurrem's influence contributed to Suleiman's decision. Mahidevran played a great role during her sons education as governor. For this reason, she has become a controversial figure in Ottoman history subject to allegations of plotting against and manipulating her political rivals. However, some argue that she has Albanian roots. Scholars have wondered if Hurrem's alliance with Mihrimah Sultan and Rstem Pasha helped secure the throne for one of Hurrem's sons. Here are some sources (regardless of their nature) they contradicts the motion that she wasn't called Sultan. "She was said to have been the most beautiful girl in the dynasty and out-stood in beauty in a land which was known for it. Doug Weller talk 15:40, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], The Haseki Sultan was chief consort, and Hrrem Sultan was Sleyman's. Including those of John Freely. [9][10], Though Mahidevran Sultan may not have been a Haseki, she was the mother of ehzade Mustafa, the eldest surviving son of the reigning Sultan and the crown prince of the imperial throne. She did served as a "cheif consort" (bash Kadin) before Haseki Hurrem Sultan. As Mulkhurub Bahar Idarovna blossomed into an eye dazzling beauty, her father saw this as an opportunity to strengthen the political relationship between the Caucasus and Ottoman Dynasty. :) There is no harm in mentioning "cheif consort", specially since Sulieman have had 3 other consorts. Now Mahidevran became a chief consort as a mother of the only prince in the Empire. Of these, Mahidevran's son Mustafa was the eldest and preceded Hurrem's children in the order of succession. Never before had a former slave been elevated to the status of the sultan's lawful spouse, a development which astonished observers in the palace and in the city. Who thought it was acceptable to post this? [41] Hurrem was also intelligent and had a pleasant personality. Around 1530, Mustafa was appointed to govern Manisa, as a part of his education and old Turkish tradition. [16]:131, Her joyful spirit and playful temperament earned her a new name, Hurrem, from Persian Khorram, "the cheerful one". p. 401. Osmanl tarihi, Volume 2. Concubine by definition is not a slave. ", That's not the correct conclusion, though. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 22:51, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], The thing is, unlike yours, I'm not fabricating a theory! # 9. Mahidevran madegreat efforts to protect her only son from assassinations, but she could not prevent his death. "The Speech of Ibrahim at the Coronation of Maximilian II", Thomas Conley. Simply put, a natural death is one that occurs due to an internal factor that causes the body to shut down, such as cancer, heart disease or diabetes. Hatun is not a Title at all. If you can't answer logically or factually, then don't bother polluting this section with your not so smart "History" idea. Many books (you may easily google) have also referred to this website for references. I badly need a reliable source to back either claim. This new woman was the famous Hrrem Sultan. All other depictions of Hurrem, starting with comments by sixteenth and seventeenth-century Ottoman historians as well as by European diplomats, observers, and travellers, are highly derivative and speculative in nature. Thank you. In Albenian Glbahar means Rosne Pravnere. Mahidevran was: theoretically, the daughter of a hatun, a birinci kadin, but never a sultana: she didn't legally marry Suleyman. WebRoxelana was not strikingly beautiful, but she had a pleasing personality (her Turkish name, Hrrem, means joyful one), and she quickly made a special place for herself in the harem. Little Prince Mehmet (named after Mustafas half-brother) wasexecuted at just six years old. +14 more. WebDeaths in June 2017 passed! [11], Even the reports of the Venetian ambassadors (baili) at Suleiman's court, the most extensive and objective first-hand Western source on Hurrem to date, were often filled with the authors own interpretations of the harem rumours. Our ancestors said that the plague goes away once the trees shed their leaves in autumn."[26]. It is traditionally believed that Hurrem, along with her daughter Mihrimah and her son-in-law Rustem, orchestrated Mustafas execution by turning his father, the Sultan, against him. Selim could have helped Mahidevran out of guilt that he lived and became Sultan while her son did not. Her influence with Suleiman made her one of the most powerful women in Ottoman history and in the world at that time. - Worldandhistory (talk) 18:40, 29 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Wow, it seems you desperately did some personal research, you have all the time in the world don't you? The death of television icon Betty White received a lot of attention in popular culture. He was very intelligent and had a strong politic education. She's a hatun, not a legal wife, still had similar privilege as a haseki, her son didn't become sultan: all the facts point to her not being officially a sultana. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 13:40, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I agree with the latest proposal. Hatun is used for every other lady in Turkish and Persian language. Webmahidevran. Please don't get personal here it's just a talk page. Categories: 1500 births. commercial banks of the capitalist states book; nicholas martin roosevelt; beiersdorf cleveland, tn closing; the difference between body, soul and spirit WebHello my dear friends!I'm glad to see you on my channel. In the end, Mustafa was appointed to governAmasya (close to Persian border) while Mehmet moved to Manisa. Acting on Hurrem Sultan's orders, Rustem Pasha had engraved Mustafa's seal and sent a letter seemingly written from his mouth to Shah Tahmasb I, and then sent Shah's response to Suleiman. Learn how your comment data is processed. ?--Phso2 (talk) 21:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]. Even lowest ranking maids of the Harem were called Hatun out of respect. She is known to be a legal wife before Hurrem Sultan, but not so popular since Hurrem Sultan was the first "slave" to become a legal wife, hence, only Hurrem's being a legal wife is so popular. ((reftalk))Reply[reply], There is no consensus to add the interview of an "alleged descendant" of Mahidevran to this article. Her love of poetry is considered one of the reasons behind her being heavily favoured by Suleiman, who was a great admirer of poetry. Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.218.117.86 (talk) 20:17, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], The other wives, also not legally married to the sultan, were called "kadin" or "hatun". Circassian or Albanian? Everyone has a right to put their opinion and I just put mine. Whatever the case, the result was bitter for Mahidevran; Suleiman started to neglect her as punishment. If, however, you can get an admin to permanently block the page from any further editing you may do so. Prince Idar took this as an opportunity to make a good relationship with their rapidly spending neighboring dynasty, as young Prince Sulieman was only a few year older (if not the same age) than his most beautiful daughter. [18] According to Bernardo Navagero's report, as a result of the bitter rivalry a fight between the two women broke out, with Mahidevran beating Hurrem, which angered Suleiman. Now Mahidevran became a chief consort as a mother of the only prince in the Empire. Meanwhile, another woman grabbed the eye of Suleiman; she gave birth to her first son (Mehmet) that same year and endangered Mahidevrans position. This new woman was the famous Hrrem Sultan. She is called "Mahidevran Hatun Valide Sultan Mustafa" which is translated as "Empress Mahidevran mother of Prince Mustafa". In his 1551 letter to Sigismund II concerning the embassy of Piotr Opaliski, Suleiman wrote that the Ambassador had seen "Your sister and my wife." In early modern Spain, she appears or is alluded to in works by Quevedo and other writers as well as in a number of plays by Lope de Vega. If he still insists, he can bring the source at the reliable sources noticeboard and ask for an opinion there. In attempting to avoid the execution of her sons, Hurrem used her influence to eliminate those who supported Mustafa's accession to the throne. About the recently revived edit war on the Origins of Mahidevran, I would like to clear that I am not a descendant of Mahidevran, I just came across the Genealogy document and thought it was rather convincing one. Learn more about merges. Hurrem and Mahidevran were 2 main consorts. Nurbanus mosque was the first constructed in the capital by a woman of the dynasty to have two minarets. [33] Cihangir, Hurrem's youngest child, allegedly died of grief a few months after the news of his half-brother's murder. If you are not convinced we can try to get this on reliable sources noticeboard. Again it's just my opinion to me it looks like a fact. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Either way, this was another significant break from established customs, as Sultan Mehmed the Conqueror had specifically issued a decree to the effect that no women would be allowed to reside in the same building where government affairs were conducted. Hurrem or Khorram (Persian: ) means "the joyfull one" in Persian. Please consider all sources available. The original caption is only "sultana" and there is no reference to Rosne Pranvere. Mahidevran Turbesi5.jpg 320 240; 21 KB. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. There are reasons to believe that these two letters were more than just diplomatic gestures, and that Suleiman's references to brotherly or fatherly feelings were not a mere tribute to political expediency. Nedim Ardoa (talk) 06:21, 31 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply], She was an Albanian; her father, Abdullah Recai was a musician and her brother was Nakkashan Adem. The army, the governors and thepeople loved Mustafa dearly. Please, if there's someone who can review this and make a decision quickly. The information given in this page reveals that despite being called addressed as a sultana she wasn't one, and before that edit came to be the page addressed her as hatun (and many others too [1] ), which is also a title she's been given in other sources. In the Ottoman imperial family tradition, a sultan's consort was to remain in the harem only until her son came of age (around 16 or 17), after which he would be sent away from the capital to govern a faraway province, and his mother would follow him. Please correct that. According to a source he was executed that very year on charges of planning to dethrone his father; his guilt for the treason of which he was accused remains neither proven nor disproven. Scholars thus agree that European artists created a visual identity for Ottoman women that was largely imagined. She built numerous mosques, madrasahs, hammams, and resting places for pilgrims travelling to the Islamic holy city of Makkah. 1540. Copyright 2023 | MH Magazine WordPress Theme by MH Themes. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 22:11, 1 April 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]. He was accused of collaborating with the Shah and was executed in the battle camp. Mustafa and Mahidevran were sent back to Amasya. In this case, Suleiman not only broke the old custom, but began a new tradition for the future Ottoman sultans: To marry in a formal ceremony and to give their consorts significant influence on the court, especially in matters of succession. Hurrem's birth name is unknown. Not interested? If interviews can be cited in Wikipedia for every living or dead person, why there is so much debate in this one? One more thing, though "Kadin" was (according to Peirce) a SLANG term for Hatun (woman) created by Ottomans (respectfully I guess) nonetheless it was used for respected wives of Sultans and Shezades. And I have an interesting video for the newer.Today I want to tell you about Mahidevran Sultan, who she really is.Mahidevran Sultan is the mother of Shehzade Mustafa. WebA cause of death is determined by a medical examiner. WebMahidevran Turbesi3.jpg 315 470; 22 KB. Not hesitating for a second thought, he offered his beautiful daughter, as a gift, to the young prince." I already gave you all evidence, but you insist on calling her a sultana because you "assume" Birinci Kadin and Sultan mean the same: they are applied to concubine and legal wife accordingly and therefore don't mean the same. Why does she have sultan next to her name? Specially every Circassion origin theory. Her full name was Glbahar Mahidevran Sultan 1 due to her great beauty; Glbahar means rose of the spring and Mahidevran means the most beautiful in all. Please stop making assumptions and accept the facts, this article needs to be changed to only Mahidevran, and all the theories and speculations, and doubted accounts can remain in an subtitle, because "doubt" and "speculation" do nothing to educate and help people. Note that I'm not saying that Mahidevran was not chief consort before the title Haseki came into use, but it's clear that she didn't continue to hold the title. There is a possibility of both titles therefore no title should be put in. Mahidevran Sultan once hit hurrem untill her face turned to a bloody puddle, something that didn't please the sultan. Hurrem also unlike Mahidevran The consorts were never to return to Istanbul unless their sons succeeded to the throne. Peirce, Leslie (2017). All the facts have been laid out but you still want to call Mahidevran a sultana when she wasn't: she didn't legally marry Suleyman, nor was the mother of a sultan. The first person of non-royal blood to be addressed as sultan was Suleyman's mother who the title "Valide Sultan" was created for; then "Haseki Sultan" was created for Hurrem when they married. What matters is, as Nurbanu wasn't a legal wife, she was still a kadin; she is mentioned as a sultana in wikipedia because she became Valide Sultan. That's very funny!!! Through her husband, she played an active role in affairs of the state. Hurrem and Mahidevran had borne Suleiman six ehzades (Ottoman princes), four of whom survived past the 1550s: Mehmed, Selim, Bayezid, and Cihangir. [16]:130 Suleiman and Hurrem's last child, ehzade Cihangir was born with a hunchback, but by that time Hurrem had borne enough healthy sons to secure the future of the Ottoman dynasty. She is still known and remembered today as the most politically influential Ottoman princess, and the only one to have served as Valide Sultan during her brother's reign. No need to change the title. However, her philanthropy is in contrast to this as she cared for the poor. Your stubbornness of using only Peirce's provided information while neglecting other possible sources shows your own prejudice, not anyone else's. [20] Hurrem became the only partner of the ruler and received the title of Haseki, which means the favorite. () LUCKYEYE GROUP ALSO MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES AS TO WHETHER THE INFORMATION ACCESSIBLE VIA THIS WEB SITE, OR ANY WEB SITE WITH WHICH IT IS LINKED, IS ACCURATE, COMPLETE, OR CURRENT. Mahidevran was his most trustable advisor as well as chief of his harem. If you are, however, still convinced that only Peirce's book is authentic source for the Ottomans, try putting this "concubinage" information in Ottoman Empire in details as explained by Leslie and see the response of Turks and Ottoman followers by yourself. After the executions, Mahidevran moved to Bursa to build a proper grave for her son and lived there until her death in 1581. Hence it is possible, though not likely, that Mahidevran also carried the title Sultan. [42], It is believed that Hurrem was a cunning, manipulative and stony-hearted woman who would execute anyone who stood in her way. Mahidevran could hardly have predicted Hurrem Sultans success. Her supposed rivals relationship with Suleiman (r. 15201566) was unprecedented, a Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.101.0.179 (talk) 11:44, 12 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply], If the modifiers of this page can identify this reference, then please update. The change of titles was to differentiate a legal wife from a concubine/consort/unrecognized wife or however you want to call it. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Mahidevran was chief consort as a mother of the oldest surviving son of Suleiman the Magnificent. If you ask about Istanbul, the city still suffers from the plague; however, it is not like the previous one. Yet they were called Sultana for being Sultan's Kadins (Wives) You have a very little knowledge you are only referring to a few (if not one) online source and claiming that was it. Page contents not supported in other languages. No title is suitable for this page, niether Sultan nor Hatun since users can't agree. It seems you consider a Talk page as a comment war section, well it's not. Basic Books. She wrote many love letters to Suleiman when he was away for campaigns. The problem with the sources you cite is that they're recent and are rooted in speculation, just as all of your post above. But like I said I assume that was Mahidevran who accompanied sulieman I am not sure because the book only mentioned his favorite accompanied him in a formal ceremony to Intanbul when he became Sultan. 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